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Mike Sarraille on Leaving Delta Force, Scaling a Company to 500, and Why Entrepreneurship Is the Real Fight

August 04, 2026

Mike Sarraille served 20 years in special operations as a Recon Marine, scout sniper, Navy SEAL, and troop commander in Delta Force. He graduated number one out of three hundred in Marine boot camp, fought in some of the worst firefights of the Iraq War, and broke four world records skydiving across seven continents in under seven days. Then he started a company.   Joe De Sena sits down with Mike to hear why he says building a business with no budget and no guaranteed resources is harder tha...

John Kelly on the Barkley Marathons, Quitting From the Lead, and Training for Real Adversity

July 28, 2026

Only twenty people have finished the Barkley Marathons in forty years. John Kelly has finished it twice. But between those two finishes, he quit from first place after two loops because he already knew what the remaining sixty hours would cost, and it did not seem worth it.   Joe De Sena sits down with John, an ultra runner who has covered 260 miles through January storms on the Pennine Way, chased the Appalachian Trail speed record for 1,900 miles before injury stopped him 300 miles short, ...

Suicide Prevention, Toxic Environments, and the Phone Call That Saved a Marine: Lee Stuckey

July 21, 2026

A Marine officer, professional MMA fighter, and jiu-jitsu practitioner came home from his third combat deployment in Mosul and sat down at a table with a loaded Glock. His mother called his phone at the exact second he began to pull the trigger.   Joe De Sena sits down with Lee Stuckey, founder of America's Heroes Enjoying Recreation Outdoors (AHERO), a nonprofit that has served over 13,000 veterans and stopped more than 600 suicides in 16 years. Lee breaks down how he rebuilt after nearly...