The Art of Sales with Art Sobczak

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331 GUEST: What 20,000 Phone Hours Taught Him About Prospecting and Sales, with Justin Michael

June 08, 2026

Most cold call advice you see celebrated on LinkedIn has one thing in common — it starts with an apology. "You're going to hate me, but this is a cold call." "Did I catch you at a bad time?" "I'll be honest with you — this is a sales call." Justin Michael has spent 20,000 hours on the phone and written 10 books disagreeing with all of it. And in this episode, he makes the case — backed by brain science — for why permission-begging openers kill your status, trigger the wrong response in the ...

330 GUEST- Debunking the Myths of Sales with What is Actually True, According to Science and Research, with Dr. Lorenzo Bizzi

May 13, 2026

What if everything you believed about sales was wrong? Art Sobczak sits down with Dr. Lorenzo Bizzi, professor at Cal State Fullerton and author of Myths Versus Science of Selling, to challenge the conventional wisdom that has dominated sales training for decades. From "always be closing" to "people buy on emotion" to "extroverts make the best salespeople" — Dr. Bizzi has spent years collecting academic research that tells a very different story. And he's not just here to tear down the myth...

329 GUEST Joe Dalton- You Don't Have a Closing Problem, You Likely Have This Instead

April 14, 2026

What if your biggest sales problem isn't closing… but everything that happens before it? In this episode, Art Sobczak sits down with sales trainer, speaker, and author Joe Dalton to break down what truly separates professionals from amateurs in sales. Joe shares how he went from "just talking to people" to mastering a proven sales process, and why he now views selling as a craft, not a transaction. You'll discover: • Why most "closing problems" are actually discovery failures • The simple shi...