Second Nature

Aaron Lutze, Dylan Bowman

dylan@freetrail.com

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Booking Overview

Second Nature is a brand-and-startup focused show hosted by Aaron Lutze and Dylan Bowman that spotlights how ambitious outdoor-adjacent companies build products, categories, and community. It’s a strong booking target for founders and brand strategists who have real traction, clear frameworks, and a differentiated growth story.

Metrics

Episodes: 163

Frequency: Weekly

Rating: 4.8/5.0

Estimated listeners: 1k-10k

Gender skew: Male

Location: USA

YouTube: 1.6k subscribers

Contact Information

dylan@freetrail.com

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Host

Aaron Lutze - Host of Second Nature; described as co-host with Dylan Bowman of "The business of outdoor."

Dylan Bowman - Host of Second Nature; described as co-host with Aaron Lutze of "The business of outdoor."

Booking Intelligence

Booking Requirements

medium
Typical Credentials:  
Founders (often category creators) and brand/product leaders from outdoors/performance-adjacent consumer brands; operators with measurable traction (revenue/scale), credible frameworks, and a differentiated origin-to-growth story; occasionally pro athletes/serial entrepreneurs when tied to the brand being built.
Required Achievements:  
Built or scaled a consumer brand to meaningful distribution and volume, Developed a named framework for brand building or product strategy, Launched a category or materially changed consumer perceptions within a category, Secured notable partnerships, teams, or performance credibility (e.g., pro racing, athlete-led development), Grew rapidly to large headcount/capacity or major retail penetration

Recent Guest Discussions

Mattie Sims - Brand-building Framework; Positioning And Customer Worries; Building Versus Looking Branded; Category/niche Strategy; Product Strategy And Cultural Movement Around Excellence.

Christian Meier - Co-building Chance; Athlete-driven Entrepreneurship; Startup Scaling Alongside Other Ventures.

Tom Austen - Treating Sun As A Performance Variable; Brand Origin Story; Crossing Categories; Building High-growth Brands In A Small Ecosystem.

John Walker - Founding Pathway And Growth Of Non-alcoholic Beer Category Through Brewing Community Connections.

Bill Shufelt - Non-alcoholic Beer Category Creation; Research-to-launch Journey; Investor/distribution Hurdles; Grassroots Field Marketing; Category Competition And Redefining Success.

Recent Topics

Branding, Startups, Product Strategy, Performance, Consumer Goods

Episodes

Here's the recent few episodes on
Second Nature
:

You've Heard of Heat Training. Here's How It Actually Works.

June 26, 2026

Ross McGraw has had one of the more interesting career arcs in the outdoor industry — from Nike's NYC Run program to Vice Media and Viacom, to helping build Hammerhead through its acquisition by SRAM, and now leading commercial efforts at CORE, the company changing how elite athletes think about heat. In this conversation, Ross breaks down the science of heat training in plain language — why 80% of the energy athletes generate is thermal, how heat zones work, and why the world's best cyclists...

The One Question Every Brand Needs to Answer

June 19, 2026

Mattie Sims has built brands at Lululemon, Electronic Arts, Reef, and Rally Pickleball — and along the way developed a framework for brand building that most founders skip entirely. Now she's applying everything she's learned to two ventures at once: Courier, a performance sock brand built around the idea of the "Renaissance athlete," and Mate the Agency, a brand strategy firm working with founders across industries. In this conversation, Mattie walks through the muse framework she learned at...

The Sunscreen Brand That's Rewriting Performance Science

June 12, 2026

Tom Austen is the founder of Pelotan, the world's first sun performance brand, and co-founder of Chance, a trail running apparel brand he's building with pro athlete and serial entrepreneur Christian Meier. Both brands are based in Girona, Spain — a two-square-kilometer pocket of world-class endurance athletes, cafes, and startups that's become the Boulder of Europe. In this conversation, Tom walks through how Pelotan went from a sunburn problem on training rides to winning two Tour de France...

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