Second Nature

Aaron Lutze, Dylan Bowman

Booking Overview

An interview show about the outdoor industry, featuring conversations with outdoor founders, sports-technology executives, brand builders, and accomplished athletes. Agencies could credibly pitch outdoor entrepreneurs, product and commercial leaders, elite or adaptive athletes, and brand strategists; booking difficulty is medium because guests typically have substantial industry experience but are not necessarily mass-market celebrities.

Metrics

Episodes: 165

Frequency: Weekly

Rating: 4.8/5.0

Estimated listeners: 1k-10k

Gender skew: Male

Location: USA

YouTube: 1.6k subscribers

Contact Information

dylan@freetrail.com

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Host

Aaron Lutze - Outdoor industry professional and co-host of Second Nature, focused on the business, brands, products, and creators shaping outdoor markets.

Dylan Bowman - Outdoor industry professional and co-host of Second Nature, focused on the business, brands, products, and creators shaping outdoor markets.

Booking Intelligence

Booking Requirements

medium
Typical Credentials:  
Outdoor-industry founders, sports-technology executives, brand and marketing leaders, elite or adaptive athletes, and specialists with substantial experience building products, companies, or platforms in the outdoor and performance-sports space.
Required Achievements:  
Leadership roles at established outdoor, sports, technology, or consumer brands, Founding or scaling a relevant company, nonprofit, or product, Professional athletic achievements or major contributions to outdoor sports, Recognized expertise in brand strategy, product development, or athlete performance

Recent Guest Discussions

Martyn Ashton - Adaptive Mountain Biking, Nonprofit Leadership, Accessible Outdoor Recreation, And The Economics Of Adaptive Bikes.

Ross McGraw - Heat Training, Sports Technology, Athlete Performance, Career Transitions, And Commercial Leadership.

Mattie Sims - Brand Strategy, Customer Insight, Entrepreneurship, Niche Positioning, And Building Consumer Brands.

Recent Topics

Outdoor Industry, Brand Building, Sports Technology, Athlete Marketing, Entrepreneurship

Episodes

Here's the recent few episodes on
Second Nature
:

The Last Time Someone Reinvented Camping Was 1962

July 10, 2026

Matt Oesterle built his first company, Callisto Media, from zero to $85 million in revenue by using data to disrupt the book publishing industry. Then he sold it to Penguin Random House and asked himself: what's the next industry that hasn't been forced to evolve? The answer was camping — an industry whose biggest brands were founded in the 1960s and haven't changed much since. In this conversation, Matt walks through the framework he uses to pick businesses, how he designed the Ramble campgr...

Martyn Ashton on Rideable Now and the Future of Adaptive MTB

July 03, 2026

Martyn Ashton spent two decades as one of the most influential trials riders in the world — making the smallest, most niche discipline of mountain biking accessible and exciting for a global audience through videos, shows, and a personality that made everyone feel like they could try it. In 2013, a crash during a stunt show left him paralyzed. Now he's doing the exact same thing all over again — this time for adaptive mountain biking. In this conversation, Martyn walks through the founding of...

You've Heard of Heat Training. Here's How It Actually Works.

June 26, 2026

Ross McGraw has had one of the more interesting career arcs in the outdoor industry — from Nike's NYC Run program to Vice Media and Viacom, to helping build Hammerhead through its acquisition by SRAM, and now leading commercial efforts at CORE, the company changing how elite athletes think about heat. In this conversation, Ross breaks down the science of heat training in plain language — why 80% of the energy athletes generate is thermal, how heat zones work, and why the world's best cyclists...

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