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Working Towards Nine

Carolyn Sullivan, Tanya A. Grillo, Nicole M. Smithson

Booking Overview

Working Towards Nine is a Women Lawyers Association of Michigan podcast focused on advancing the full and equal participation of women in the legal profession. For PR professionals, it’s a strong platform to feature accomplished legal authors, leaders, and advocates tied to Michigan (and broader legal diversity efforts), with opportunities for thought leadership and community impact.

Metrics

Episodes: 58

Frequency: Irregular

Rating: 5.0/5.0

Estimated listeners: < 100

Gender skew: Female

Listener location: USA

YouTube: 22 subscribers

Instagram: 1.4k followers

Contact Information

Publicly listed emails

info@womenlawyers.org

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Host

Carolyn Sullivan - WLAM (Women Lawyers Association of Michigan) leader who serves as a host for episodes in this series.

Tanya A. Grillo - President of the Women Lawyers Association of Michigan and a Director of the National Conference of Women's Bar Associations; appointed to the Macomb County Circuit Court after serving in multiple ...

Nicole M. Smithson - Speaker/interviewer featured in the episode description discussing legal history and constitutional convention scholarship.

Booking Intelligence

Booking Requirements

medium
Typical Credentials:  
Women (or allies closely aligned with women’s equal participation) in the legal profession, such as bar association leaders, judges, attorneys, legal historians/authors, or leaders of legal diversity organizations and professional affinity groups. Strong preference for demonstrable leadership/recognition (e.g., past bar association presidencies, recognized awards, board leadership, published books).
Required Achievements:  
Leadership roles in bar associations or legal organizations, Published legal or historical scholarship, Awards or formal recognition within legal/community history, Board presidency/major governance roles in affinity groups, DEI leadership and mentorship initiatives

Recent Guest Discussions

Lynn Liberato - Her Book On Women Delegates To The 1961 Michigan Constitutional Convention And Related Historical/legal Scholarship.

Julie Fershtman - Experiences Leading One Of The Nation's Most Important Bar Associations As A Woman Leader.

Nancy Diehl - Experiences Leading One Of The Nation's Most Important Bar Associations As A Woman Leader.

Isheeta Patel Laxmanan - SABA Michigan’s Founding, Direction, And Diversity/inclusion Work; Mentorship And Community Programming Tied To Law And Ip.

Recent Topics

Legal Diversity, Women Lawyers, Law, Bar Association, Leadership

Episodes

Here's the recent few episodes on
Working Towards Nine
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She Was Here: Why Women Lawyers Must Tell Their Stories

September 23, 2026

In this episode of the Working Towards Nine Podcast, WLAM President Kirsten Silwanowicz is joined by Beth Wilensky, Clinical Professor of Law at the University of Michigan Law School, for a thoughtful conversation about the power of storytelling—especially for women lawyers.Stories do more than entertain. They help us connect, persuade, remember, and make meaning of our experiences. Beth explains why our brains naturally respond to narrative and offers practical guidance for discovering, shap...

Michigan’s CON-CON 11: Women and State Constitution Making in 1961

March 11, 2026

In this episode, Nicole M. Smithson speaks with Lynn Liberato about her book, Michigan’s CON-CON 11: Women and State Constitution-making in 1961. Lynn’s groundbreaking work about the eleven female delegates to the 1961 Michigan Constitutional Convention was published by Michigan State University Press in November 2025. Lynn is a writer, historian and retired attorney. She received a 2024 State History Award from the Historical Society of Michigan for her article “Con-Con’s Petticoat Revolt: W...

Remarkable Leaders: Women Presidents of the SBM

February 25, 2026

WLAM's Carolyn Sullivan talks with SBM Past Presidents Nancy Diehl and Julie Fershtman about their experiences leading one of the nation's most important bar associations. This is episode is a rebroadcast of WLAM's 2025 program.

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Frequently asked questions

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Working Towards Nine
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How do I get in touch with Working Towards Nine?

Working Towards Nine is hosted by Carolyn Sullivan and Tanya A. Grillo. Its publicly listed email is info@womenlawyers.org. For guest bookings, the host or producer is usually the best person to reach. Podseeker helps you find direct host and producer contacts and pitch from your own inbox.

What is the email for Working Towards Nine?

The publicly listed email for Working Towards Nine: info@womenlawyers.org.

How many listeners does Working Towards Nine have?

Podseeker estimates Working Towards Nine reaches fewer than 100 listeners per episode. Only the publisher has exact numbers.

Who is an ideal guest for Working Towards Nine?

Working Towards Nine typically books industry leaders. Typical guest background: Women (or allies closely aligned with women’s equal participation) in the legal profession, such as bar association leaders, judges, attorneys, legal historians/authors, or leaders of legal diversity organizations and professional affinity groups. Strong preference for demonstrable leadership/recognition (e.g., past bar association presidencies, recognized awards, board leadership, published books). Common among recent guests: Leadership roles in bar associations or legal organizations; Published legal or historical scholarship; Awards or formal recognition within legal/community history. Recent guests include Lynn Liberato, Julie Fershtman, and Nancy Diehl.

How hard is it to get booked on Working Towards Nine?

Medium. Guests usually need solid credentials in the topic and an idea that fits the show.

What topics does Working Towards Nine cover?

Recent episodes cover Legal Diversity, Women Lawyers, Law, Bar Association, and Leadership. Pitch an idea tied to one of these topics and mention a recent episode.

Publicly listed emails

info@womenlawyers.org

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