Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery

Thom Rutledge, Allen Berger

Booking Overview

This is a co-hosted recovery and psychotherapy show focused on emotional sobriety, addiction recovery, and applying the 12 Steps to emotional and relationship challenges; it is primarily host-led with occasional external guests from the recovery and secular-AA space. Credible pitches would include addiction-recovery authors, psychotherapists, codependency specialists, and secular or alternative-recovery advocates with relevant lived or professional expertise. Booking difficulty is likely low because external guest appearances appear occasional and the guest profile is accessible rather than celebrity-driven.

Metrics

Episodes: 200

Frequency: Weekly

Rating: 4.4/5.0

Estimated listeners: 1k-10k

Gender skew: Unknown

Location: USA

YouTube: 3.4k subscribers

Instagram: 897 followers

Contact Information

pndirective4@gmail.com

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Host

Thom Rutledge - Psychotherapist and best-selling author focused on emotional sobriety, recovery, and personal development.

Allen Berger - Doctor of psychology, psychotherapist, and best-selling author focused on emotional sobriety, addiction recovery, and the 12 Steps.

Booking Intelligence

Booking Requirements

low
Typical Credentials:  
Psychotherapists, addiction-recovery authors, 12-Step practitioners, and secular or alternative-recovery advocates with relevant professional expertise, published work, or lived-experience authority.
Required Achievements:  
Published books, Professional recovery or psychotherapy experience, Advocacy or leadership in recovery communities

Recent Guest Discussions

Joe Chisholm - Acceptance, Coping With Difficult Circumstances, Secular AA, And Emotional Recovery.

Recent Topics

Emotional Sobriety, Addiction Recovery, Psychotherapy, Alcoholics Anonymous, Codependency

Episodes

Here's the recent few episodes on
Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
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Positive Opportunism & Benevolent Manipulation

July 06, 2026

Thom’s Nutshell: Look for the benefit in all situations - practice positive opportunism. In another passage from Joe C.’s Beyond Belief, Allen ties our daily reflection to Emotional Sobriety and the importance of dislodging our false self in pursuit of an emboldened authentic one. Our music is provided by the great southern artist Jefferson Ross. Learn more about Jefferson at jeffersonross.com Visit our website: www.emotionalsobriety.info Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion ...

Out of the Hurt Locker

June 29, 2026

Thom’s Nutshell: We all have opinions. We all prefer certain outcomes. But attaching expectations to them is a choice. Disappointed? Upset? Devastated? Check your expectations. Why do we avoid going towards our pain? Because we don’t have faith in our ability to cope with it. In emotional sobriety we work on our self-esteem, which is part of that perpetual engine moving us towards wholeness. From James Redford. The Struggle: “If it were any easier, it would be meaningless. If it were any hard...

Let It Be (With Joe C.)

June 23, 2026

Thom’s Nutshell: Rather than praying for circumstances to change, pray for the strength and wisdom to face those circumstances. “This shouldn’t be happening!” Well, it IS happening. So how do we deal with it? Riffing on Rumi, Paul McCartney, and Kathryn Grody with superfriend Joe Chisholm. Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion Dogs here: https://rebelliondogspublishing.com  Our music is provided by the great southern artist Jefferson Ross. Learn more about Jefferson at jefferson...

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