Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery

Thom Rutledge, Dr. Allen Berger

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Booking Overview

This podcast explores emotional sobriety—moving beyond traditional recovery approaches—through the lens of psychotherapy, the AA lineage, and practical relationship tools. It’s a strong booking target for clinicians and best-selling authors who can translate recovery concepts into accessible, step-based guidance.

Metrics

Episodes: 200

Frequency: Weekly

Rating: 4.4/5.0

Estimated listeners: 1k-10k

Gender skew: Male

Location: USA

YouTube: 3.4k subscribers

Instagram: 897 followers

Contact Information

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Host

Thom Rutledge - Described as a psychotherapist and best-selling author exploring Bill Wilson’s frontier of emotional sobriety, and speaking in episodes alongside Dr. Allen Berger.

Dr. Allen Berger - A psychotherapist and best-selling author exploring emotional sobriety; also credited with the book “12 Essential Insights for Emotional Sobriety.”

Booking Intelligence

Booking Requirements

medium
Typical Credentials:  
Psychotherapists, authors (especially best-selling or recovery-focused), and recovery community thought leaders; potentially Secular AA-adjacent contributors.
Required Achievements:  
Published books (recovery/emotional sobriety/self-help), Recognition or platform within recovery communities (e.g., Secular AA), Professional practice as a psychotherapist (when applicable)

Recent Guest Discussions

James Redford - Using Expectations And Turning Toward Emotional Pain; Coping With Disappointment/upset/devastation; Emotional Sobriety Themes.

Joe Chisholm - Emotional Sobriety Principles; Coping With Circumstances; Codependency/co-dependent Partner; Rumi/aa-influenced Reflection.

Recent Topics

Addiction, Recovery, Psychotherapy, Emotional Sobriety, Codependency

Episodes

Here's the recent few episodes on
Emotional Sobriety: The Next Step in Recovery
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Positive Opportunism & Benevolent Manipulation

July 06, 2026

Thom’s Nutshell: Look for the benefit in all situations - practice positive opportunism. In another passage from Joe C.’s Beyond Belief, Allen ties our daily reflection to Emotional Sobriety and the importance of dislodging our false self in pursuit of an emboldened authentic one. Our music is provided by the great southern artist Jefferson Ross. Learn more about Jefferson at jeffersonross.com Visit our website: www.emotionalsobriety.info Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion ...

Out of the Hurt Locker

June 29, 2026

Thom’s Nutshell: We all have opinions. We all prefer certain outcomes. But attaching expectations to them is a choice. Disappointed? Upset? Devastated? Check your expectations. Why do we avoid going towards our pain? Because we don’t have faith in our ability to cope with it. In emotional sobriety we work on our self-esteem, which is part of that perpetual engine moving us towards wholeness. From James Redford. The Struggle: “If it were any easier, it would be meaningless. If it were any hard...

Let It Be (With Joe C.)

June 23, 2026

Thom’s Nutshell: Rather than praying for circumstances to change, pray for the strength and wisdom to face those circumstances. “This shouldn’t be happening!” Well, it IS happening. So how do we deal with it? Riffing on Rumi, Paul McCartney, and Kathryn Grody with superfriend Joe Chisholm. Learn more about Joe C., Secular AA and Rebellion Dogs here: https://rebelliondogspublishing.com  Our music is provided by the great southern artist Jefferson Ross. Learn more about Jefferson at jefferson...

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