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How to Touch Grass

Natalie Brennan, Julie Beck

Booking Overview

An expert interview series about the relationship between people, technology, attention, and digital culture, typically featuring psychologists, psychiatrists, academics, researchers, and journalists or authors. Credible pitches include mental-health clinicians, behavioral scientists, technology researchers, and authors with substantive expertise on online behavior, anxiety, nostalgia, or media effects; booking difficulty is high given the show’s association with The Atlantic and its preference for established experts.

Metrics

Episodes: 65

Frequency: Weekly

Rating: 4.1/5.0

Estimated listeners: 10k-100k

Gender skew: Unknown

Location: USA

YouTube: 967.0k subscribers

Instagram: 2.0M followers

Contact Information

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Host

Natalie Brennan - Writer and editor at The Atlantic who covers contemporary life, technology, and culture.

Julie Beck - Writer and editor at The Atlantic known for journalism about psychology, relationships, technology, and modern life.

Booking Intelligence

Booking Requirements

high
Typical Credentials:  
Psychiatrists, psychologists, behavioral scientists, university researchers, technology experts, and journalists or authors with demonstrated expertise in digital culture, mental health, attention, or online behavior.
Required Achievements:  
University appointments or research affiliations, Peer-reviewed or widely cited research, Published books or significant journalism, Recognized expertise in psychology, technology, or digital culture

Recent Guest Discussions

Sophie Gilbert - The Internet’s Growing Focus On Appearance, Beauty Standards, Social-media Algorithms, Weight Loss, And Cosmetic Procedures.

Ashleigh Golden - AI Chatbots, Anxiety, Reassurance-seeking, And The Psychological Risks Of Obsessive Online Engagement.

Elias Aboujaoude - AI Chatbots, Reassurance-seeking, Anxiety, Obsessive Loops, And Avoidant Coping Behaviors.

Clay Routledge - Pre-internet Nostalgia, Technology-related Longing, Psychological Overwhelm, And Using Nostalgia To Envision A Better Future.

Recent Topics

Technology, Digital Wellness, Attention, Anxiety, Social Media

Episodes

Here's the recent few episodes on
How to Touch Grass
:

What It Takes to Reclaim Your Attention Span

August 24, 2026

Of all the potential effects of using smartphones, the one that seems to inspire the most anxiety is what scrolling could be doing to people’s attention. On social media (ironically), many people express a desire to “heal” their attention spans from the damage they feel technology has done. They’re picking up on something real. In one 2025 study, researchers found that blocking the internet on people’s phones for two weeks led to improvements in sustained attention equivalent to reversing 10 ...

Why Learn Something That a Machine Can Do for You?

August 17, 2026

Children still learn long division even though calculators exist, and many people continue to study languages even as AI translation becomes faster and more accurate. Is there a deeper purpose for learning that technology will never touch? In this episode of How to Touch Grass, hosts Natalie Brennan and Julie Beck hear from Michelle Miller, a cognitive psychologist at Northern Arizona University who studies technology and learning. She explains that although the changing tides of tech may sh...

The Internet Is More Image-Focused Than Ever

August 10, 2026

It wasn’t that long ago that “body positivity” was all over the internet. Oppressive beauty standards hadn’t gone away by any stretch, but many people on social media were pushing against limits on what an “ideal” body could look like. Now, things have swung in the opposite direction, with the rapid uptake of GLP-1s and the resurgence of a skinny ideal, combined with a new frankness about plastic surgery. The calls for “self-love” and “health at any size” can be harder to hear these days over...

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